A kind, gentle and thoughtful conversation with Beatrice Birch, an art therapist who founded Inner Fire, a non-drug, small residential “proactive healing community” in Vermont. Her program’s mere existence makes me hopeful! Beatrice has a caring, spiritual approach based on love which is, I am sure, the heart of healing. She leaves behind the psychiatric framework, identifying participants as “guides” and “seekers.” True healing comes through loving, healing relationships which by their very nature are health-giving to all involved, including those who offer and those who seek help. She works with a psychiatrist to help her “seekers” withdraw from psychiatric drugs, relying on a variety of alternative approaches. Her comparisons between drug therapy and true healing are worth listening to on this Dr. Peter Breggin Hour.