Last week’s guest, Joel Elsten, has been on the show twice before. I had him on last week to discuss his new book, The Bench, available at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and other fine bookstores.

This week, as promised, we go back in time to my first interview with Joel from December 2012, in which he tells me the story of how he ended up eating from that dumpster in the first place. It’s a story of how one man fell to rock bottom, then managed to claw his way back up to heights he never previously dreamed of.

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