Joel Schafer joined me for a deep and rollicking conversation wherein we unpack the psyops, perceptual traps, and narrative spells that have been keeping us, as in our human family, fragmented, divided and confused. We track the weaponization of language, the commodification of “healing,” and the deeper Toltec technologies that help us remember who we are — and how to reclaim our attention, our sovereignty and our culture from the f*ckery.